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Putting the fun back into AO
iostalin Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:46 am
Hello camrades 
Big discussion we have here, huh?
Changing servers and such - sounds revolutionary.... but revolutions never lead to good changes, its way to chaos...
Let's see...
First thing about AO - theres alot of DIFERENT ppl. With diferent playstyle, diferent goals and ways to get fun.
For me RK part of AO is "hard" playfield. Theres engi gun, that requires alot of combinations and parts from diferent parts of game (from rk mish, from unique mob, from HI raid...), and its 'same" gun you use on endgame toon that you used on noob island. Theres implants, and you need not only camping, but head on shoulders to made and put on set of imps, that give you uber power.
Sl... thats "easy" part of AO. Theres symbs. Camp one and put in slot. Most profs not have alternatives even - only one type. You cant put other symb, you can only put higher ql. Beast weapons drop as they are. Upgradeable with Xan item (same for all) and shop item. Heckageddon in afk mode. Perks... require head on shoulders, but way easy to change em if you set em wrong. (Personally me have that feeling, when i got paid acc, like i was owned - i got not what i was thinking i get. some wise man with grey leet on avatar said about it here in first pages of this topic already)
AI and LE - good attempts to put more action on RK, and not only on RK, for paid players, and its mostly succesful. I cant call them as "part", its more "upgrade".
Xan... well, counting, its latest expancion pack.... once i seen on youtube doc soloing mitaar... xan is fail IMO. Its not docs who OP. Its Funcom fail, because other profs cant do it. Doc + crat can solo it all exept 12man. Fail.
Now - back to diferent "parts" of game. PROBLEM IS in BAD CONNECTION between them. They are for diferent styles of play, but they not make alternatives for each other.
I have same amount of adrenaline when i played with my froob 200 lvl crat on froob HI raid, and when i played my 220 doc with mediocre team on beast raid. But HI is too outdated for paid 220 player... Same with RK mishes and rest RK stuff. With very small exeption RK stuff are just shopfood in better case.
Now lets see next.
What is more easy - make smaller things like some instances, with couple of goodies or upgrades to goodies, or make recalcualtion of all old/new stuff to keep game balanced?
Obviously - first variant easyer and require less resourses. But it also leads to disbalancing and slow dieing of game. Way like this kill content for some part of AO community.
AO have alot of holes to fill - theres gap between nasc hecks and ely hecks - why not fill it with some RK "hecks"?
Theres such thing exist like Dark Ruins. It was very fun for me to do it, sinse theres very funny and interesting quests. Those escorting NPCs make me laugh alot But its instance for lvl 150-200... damn, where such stuff for every lvl range? With some newbie guide info and little changes it can be very cool location for newbies to learn how cool to play in team! And not just for paid players - for any newbie player, who we want to see in AO for long time and as paid player! Just example.
Each player have own goals in that game, but we all love changes - we like to change from a heckageddon to something diferent for a bit... and - we have nothing to switch on. Any or almost player want to run oldscool RK mish from time to time, and some even do it, but theres no good enough XP, no loot, to stay there more than just for 1-2 ... Somethimes i want to switch to something pretty dump, just for relax from hard raids or long quests - some solo dumb camping/killing for XP... and once again - no alternatives. Symbs almost not have alternatives in imps face. Only couple imps can make competition to symbiants, like leg imp with evades and HD in it....
Its so huge world there in AO... but ppl getting bored there - why? Because its NOT BALANCED WELL. Each part itself balanced, but theres disbalance between them. Need SOLID balanced game instead bunch of balanced patches. And i talk not about just planned prof nerfing. Need raise XP from RK mishes, and make RK raids interesting for paid players again. And - once again - need more new stuff to fill gaps in leveling and more alternatives so ppl not sit doing nothing - this way they start to be boring and leave.
Now one more question ppl talk alot about - who cares about froobs? Aha, noone, but froobs...
But why i have feeling, like FunCom CARES about froobs?
Let's see closer...
Once upon a time there was no froobs at all. But time passed, FC pop up SL, and made RK part of game f2p. Sinse SL expancion FC keep paid players way more powerful, probably so they have feeling that they pay for something, and free players its just a non-upgraded so far paid players in future.
Ok, maybe, but then - why i got feeling like i was owned, when i start to be paid player, after i play some time on RK part, and was very impressed of it?
Because SL its OTHER, DIFERENT style of playing.
FunCom made great job by popping SL expancion, but then they start to slow down, more and more. And - they did very small about balancing whole game to something solid. SL stuff are very OP on RK... Someone can say - roll a froob and be happy. Ok, but why i need to roll a froob, if i PAY for that game??Dont say me nobody cares about froobs, answer me, why nobody cares about PAID PLAYERS? Its easy to keep froobs gimped, so paid players have feeing they pay for someting. But im not so dumb. FC do almost NOTHING to make RK interesting again for me as for paid player. WTF i need to roll 200 froob so most beautiful part of game (in my opinion ofc) start to be shyning in all his colors to me again, if i PAY for that game??? For what i pay? For sitting in part of game that i not really like? Why RK not give me same amount of XP, as SL, if FC dont care about froobs? What so bad happeing if froobs start to level faster too, same fast as paid players?
I dont care about froobs - but FC care looks like.
Another question - why froobs not allowed to visit SL?
We all know froobs are really nothing there - they too weak. All stuff locked with SL reqs, mobs way harder and such... isnt more sense to allow ppl to see whats there, and let them team with paid ppl more? So they upgarde acc faster?
No. Because not all players impressed by RK, gonna be happy from SL, which is mostly place for expirienced ppl for fast leveling to 220 nowadays, or place for ppl who like that playstyle.
But if they allow access - some ppl not gonna pay for AO
If no access - ppl pay, go in, part of em dissapoint, some leave, some stay....
If i come to SL as froob and see it - i doubt i ever start to pay for it rly... Its diferent playstyle, not bad - just DIFERENT. If i not meet some friend, who drag me trough all that SL stuff to 220 - where i found exiting raids and alot of team work - i not gonna spend time on it otherwise.
FC not working on reviving of RK for PAID PLAYERS, and make em sit only in SL, and this way leads newbies to become heckon00bs, sinse theres no imputable alternatives.
Another question - vets kill game. Well - i not agree. They kill nothing, they choose playstyle most acceptible for them, and nothing wrong in it. They come to get fun, not for hard work or baby sitting with some st00pid ppl who even not deside if they stay here or leave in 5 min. They pay for it, and they have right to play their way. Its Fc's job to keep ppl interested and provide alternatives, not vets job.
Theres still not so many imputable althernatives to AO in sci-fi games. Its not wise to let AO rot, that game still have great potential. Isnt it obvious?
Do you ppl remember such game as Fallout? What keep ppl addicted to it? ALTERNATIVES. No way you play it same way 2 times. It was new every time.
FC did great job before, but now they slow down or even stop to work on AO... i pay to play AO, not Conan-Shmonan or some other stuff. I pay for AO, so - FC, keep work on it and keep it up to date please.
It was Aiboluk and you hear my word!
Peace!
Big discussion we have here, huh?
Changing servers and such - sounds revolutionary.... but revolutions never lead to good changes, its way to chaos...
Let's see...
First thing about AO - theres alot of DIFERENT ppl. With diferent playstyle, diferent goals and ways to get fun.
For me RK part of AO is "hard" playfield. Theres engi gun, that requires alot of combinations and parts from diferent parts of game (from rk mish, from unique mob, from HI raid...), and its 'same" gun you use on endgame toon that you used on noob island. Theres implants, and you need not only camping, but head on shoulders to made and put on set of imps, that give you uber power.
Sl... thats "easy" part of AO. Theres symbs. Camp one and put in slot. Most profs not have alternatives even - only one type. You cant put other symb, you can only put higher ql. Beast weapons drop as they are. Upgradeable with Xan item (same for all) and shop item. Heckageddon in afk mode. Perks... require head on shoulders, but way easy to change em if you set em wrong. (Personally me have that feeling, when i got paid acc, like i was owned - i got not what i was thinking i get. some wise man with grey leet on avatar said about it here in first pages of this topic already)
AI and LE - good attempts to put more action on RK, and not only on RK, for paid players, and its mostly succesful. I cant call them as "part", its more "upgrade".
Xan... well, counting, its latest expancion pack.... once i seen on youtube doc soloing mitaar... xan is fail IMO. Its not docs who OP. Its Funcom fail, because other profs cant do it. Doc + crat can solo it all exept 12man. Fail.
Now - back to diferent "parts" of game. PROBLEM IS in BAD CONNECTION between them. They are for diferent styles of play, but they not make alternatives for each other.
I have same amount of adrenaline when i played with my froob 200 lvl crat on froob HI raid, and when i played my 220 doc with mediocre team on beast raid. But HI is too outdated for paid 220 player... Same with RK mishes and rest RK stuff. With very small exeption RK stuff are just shopfood in better case.
Now lets see next.
What is more easy - make smaller things like some instances, with couple of goodies or upgrades to goodies, or make recalcualtion of all old/new stuff to keep game balanced?
Obviously - first variant easyer and require less resourses. But it also leads to disbalancing and slow dieing of game. Way like this kill content for some part of AO community.
AO have alot of holes to fill - theres gap between nasc hecks and ely hecks - why not fill it with some RK "hecks"?
Theres such thing exist like Dark Ruins. It was very fun for me to do it, sinse theres very funny and interesting quests. Those escorting NPCs make me laugh alot But its instance for lvl 150-200... damn, where such stuff for every lvl range? With some newbie guide info and little changes it can be very cool location for newbies to learn how cool to play in team! And not just for paid players - for any newbie player, who we want to see in AO for long time and as paid player! Just example.
Each player have own goals in that game, but we all love changes - we like to change from a heckageddon to something diferent for a bit... and - we have nothing to switch on. Any or almost player want to run oldscool RK mish from time to time, and some even do it, but theres no good enough XP, no loot, to stay there more than just for 1-2 ... Somethimes i want to switch to something pretty dump, just for relax from hard raids or long quests - some solo dumb camping/killing for XP... and once again - no alternatives. Symbs almost not have alternatives in imps face. Only couple imps can make competition to symbiants, like leg imp with evades and HD in it....
Its so huge world there in AO... but ppl getting bored there - why? Because its NOT BALANCED WELL. Each part itself balanced, but theres disbalance between them. Need SOLID balanced game instead bunch of balanced patches. And i talk not about just planned prof nerfing. Need raise XP from RK mishes, and make RK raids interesting for paid players again. And - once again - need more new stuff to fill gaps in leveling and more alternatives so ppl not sit doing nothing - this way they start to be boring and leave.
Now one more question ppl talk alot about - who cares about froobs? Aha, noone, but froobs...
But why i have feeling, like FunCom CARES about froobs?
Let's see closer...
Once upon a time there was no froobs at all. But time passed, FC pop up SL, and made RK part of game f2p. Sinse SL expancion FC keep paid players way more powerful, probably so they have feeling that they pay for something, and free players its just a non-upgraded so far paid players in future.
Ok, maybe, but then - why i got feeling like i was owned, when i start to be paid player, after i play some time on RK part, and was very impressed of it?
Because SL its OTHER, DIFERENT style of playing.
FunCom made great job by popping SL expancion, but then they start to slow down, more and more. And - they did very small about balancing whole game to something solid. SL stuff are very OP on RK... Someone can say - roll a froob and be happy. Ok, but why i need to roll a froob, if i PAY for that game??Dont say me nobody cares about froobs, answer me, why nobody cares about PAID PLAYERS? Its easy to keep froobs gimped, so paid players have feeing they pay for someting. But im not so dumb. FC do almost NOTHING to make RK interesting again for me as for paid player. WTF i need to roll 200 froob so most beautiful part of game (in my opinion ofc) start to be shyning in all his colors to me again, if i PAY for that game??? For what i pay? For sitting in part of game that i not really like? Why RK not give me same amount of XP, as SL, if FC dont care about froobs? What so bad happeing if froobs start to level faster too, same fast as paid players?
I dont care about froobs - but FC care looks like.
Another question - why froobs not allowed to visit SL?
We all know froobs are really nothing there - they too weak. All stuff locked with SL reqs, mobs way harder and such... isnt more sense to allow ppl to see whats there, and let them team with paid ppl more? So they upgarde acc faster?
No. Because not all players impressed by RK, gonna be happy from SL, which is mostly place for expirienced ppl for fast leveling to 220 nowadays, or place for ppl who like that playstyle.
But if they allow access - some ppl not gonna pay for AO
If no access - ppl pay, go in, part of em dissapoint, some leave, some stay....
If i come to SL as froob and see it - i doubt i ever start to pay for it rly... Its diferent playstyle, not bad - just DIFERENT. If i not meet some friend, who drag me trough all that SL stuff to 220 - where i found exiting raids and alot of team work - i not gonna spend time on it otherwise.
FC not working on reviving of RK for PAID PLAYERS, and make em sit only in SL, and this way leads newbies to become heckon00bs, sinse theres no imputable alternatives.
Another question - vets kill game. Well - i not agree. They kill nothing, they choose playstyle most acceptible for them, and nothing wrong in it. They come to get fun, not for hard work or baby sitting with some st00pid ppl who even not deside if they stay here or leave in 5 min. They pay for it, and they have right to play their way. Its Fc's job to keep ppl interested and provide alternatives, not vets job.
Theres still not so many imputable althernatives to AO in sci-fi games. Its not wise to let AO rot, that game still have great potential. Isnt it obvious?
Do you ppl remember such game as Fallout? What keep ppl addicted to it? ALTERNATIVES. No way you play it same way 2 times. It was new every time.
FC did great job before, but now they slow down or even stop to work on AO... i pay to play AO, not Conan-Shmonan or some other stuff. I pay for AO, so - FC, keep work on it and keep it up to date please.
It was Aiboluk and you hear my word!
Peace!
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Re: Putting the fun back into AO
iostalin Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:47 am
This is copy-paste of my post on oficial AO forum. I decided to post it here too - so we can have own discussion, if someone want
Original post:
http://forums.anarchyonline.com/showthread.php?t=569964&page=14
Original post:
http://forums.anarchyonline.com/showthread.php?t=569964&page=14
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Re: Putting the fun back into AO
Ankolsen Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:44 am
AO forums are Hell !!
Im responding without reading, as it makes me sad - but pretty sure I agree - on the large picture - I just want people to be happy and have fun - but sometimes it's hard to achieve, sadly
The highway to hell is pawed with good intentons....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmYHeTMf4qU
I will respond - as it's a very necesarry discusion - just too fucked up atm - but hit me ingame Stalin, and anyone else - I'm aware we need to discuss stuff - just I'm the laziest and lousiest President in the history of AO !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biaGJ_4rEzE&feature=related
We need Vamp back to spank me - after my hearthattack I've been slacking - I should be spanked...
We need a violnt restitution - or not !!
Just too old,- fucked up and - well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Od709Y55s&feature=related
Im responding without reading, as it makes me sad - but pretty sure I agree - on the large picture - I just want people to be happy and have fun - but sometimes it's hard to achieve, sadly
The highway to hell is pawed with good intentons....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmYHeTMf4qU
I will respond - as it's a very necesarry discusion - just too fucked up atm - but hit me ingame Stalin, and anyone else - I'm aware we need to discuss stuff - just I'm the laziest and lousiest President in the history of AO !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biaGJ_4rEzE&feature=related
We need Vamp back to spank me - after my hearthattack I've been slacking - I should be spanked...
We need a violnt restitution - or not !!
Just too old,- fucked up and - well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Od709Y55s&feature=related
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Re: Putting the fun back into AO
Ankolsen Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:00 pm
Im actually scared shitless - one of my oldest friends in here predicted that AO would crash when i leveled 220 - when he joined Neuron,- later Harmony - at level 16 way back in 2005 as froobs... along with me !!
Would it be possible to just ask you to agree on disagreeing - well ???
Yes - we are different but do we need to hate eachother ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0LK9tRrdpM&feature=related
Would it be possible to just ask you to agree on disagreeing - well ???
Yes - we are different but do we need to hate eachother ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0LK9tRrdpM&feature=related
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Re: Putting the fun back into AO
iostalin Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:06 pm
Onkel, we, russians, have such proverb - old horse dont ruin the furrow.
You are better president so i, or many others of us, can ever be. Serious.
But ofc your spanking request will be satisfied once Vamp is back - me personally take care of it ;D
About your scaring... maybe it will happend when you hit 220, maybe not - but definitely not BECAUSE. I beleive in fate. I believe we cant evade something, if its written in our fate, something happends or not happends, and you cant do something about that. But live in fear.... not my way.
I predicting - its NOT gonna happend if you ding 220, but it happends if you leave AO. Now - you decide.
You are better president so i, or many others of us, can ever be. Serious.
But ofc your spanking request will be satisfied once Vamp is back - me personally take care of it ;D
About your scaring... maybe it will happend when you hit 220, maybe not - but definitely not BECAUSE. I beleive in fate. I believe we cant evade something, if its written in our fate, something happends or not happends, and you cant do something about that. But live in fear.... not my way.
I predicting - its NOT gonna happend if you ding 220, but it happends if you leave AO. Now - you decide.
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Re: Putting the fun back into AO
Ankolsen Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:01 am
Naahhh - sometimes i just feel like.... well ... 
One of the things I love about AO - is it consist of ppl of all ages from all over the globe - and is one of the few places I can meet them all - just can be hard to get all to get along at times
Seriously - who would ever vote for a drug abusing, alcoholic, retard of a president - and refuse to kick his well deserving ass - in the real world ??
But we all piss and shit and have to feed - and need housing - nomatter where we reside - this world need some more love and understanding - not hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n-ELw-1lrk&feature=related
"Just remember - love is lfe - and hate is living death..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMPks2-Ggk&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpyeg-tl-ls
I just want PPL to be happy and have fun - how hard can it be.... ???
Feel free to kick my asss !!!
One of the things I love about AO - is it consist of ppl of all ages from all over the globe - and is one of the few places I can meet them all - just can be hard to get all to get along at times
Seriously - who would ever vote for a drug abusing, alcoholic, retard of a president - and refuse to kick his well deserving ass - in the real world ??
But we all piss and shit and have to feed - and need housing - nomatter where we reside - this world need some more love and understanding - not hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n-ELw-1lrk&feature=related
"Just remember - love is lfe - and hate is living death..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMPks2-Ggk&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpyeg-tl-ls
I just want PPL to be happy and have fun - how hard can it be.... ???
Feel free to kick my asss !!!
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Re: Putting the fun back into AO
Ota Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:31 pm
Ankolsen wrote:one of my oldest friends in here predicted that AO would crash when i leveled 220
Lol. Can't we make an agreement that you slow down again to your old standard? Then at least we'll have some years to play still. Or you could cap at 219.
I'm not gonna say too much about that reply you made to official forums, Io, since I'm froob myself. I have a few comments though:
- Maybe your point about opening SL to froobs to lure them into buying, is right. Danny granted me SL for some month a long time back and I have no intentions of going back there. Somehow I found it too big, boring and confusing.
- Funcom could raise the XP gained in RK to make it more interesting for SL'ers to spend time there during lvl'ing. But on that point they DID implement dailies which helped alot. But again, dailies are not a teameffort activity so it doesn't supply RK with what is needed.
- I have already shown my frustration on the lack of static dungeons after IS on RK. I feel that you make a toon either lvl 110 (CoH, or maybe even 100 if you also want it to get into Biomare) or you just lvl it up to 200. there's no reason for a non-PvP froob toon to be in between 110 and 200.
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