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Post  iostalin on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:34 am

Some time ago was raised a question about requirements to behaviour of people who can/cannot be a member of Neptueg Atav, and be guest of our org.
I think its a important question, and it must be cleared.
If someone of my org kite borgs in PW, and his kite being rooted (and this means dieing of kiter in most cases) by some asshole, so he can take spot and kite, i think i have right to go and root asshole's kite, because thats what is called defending of org members. Of course, asshole's behavior from this example not appropriate for NA members (we not root other kiters kites, just to get spot for us, if its already taken).
Maybe im wrong, and for NA such behaviour is bad - so feel free to say and discuss.
Also - NA members not allowed to gank other ppl, especially other NA members. But my opinion - people allowed to have toons outside NA, and do ganking, if they like it very much, but of course not against NA members. Ganking ppl on toons joined to NA not allowed.
Some people have toons only in NA, some have toons aside org (even our president). Do we have same requirememnts to behaviour of person not on NA toons?
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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Bloodrising on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:00 am

As an NT, I whole heartedly agree Io.
And I dont think its right of an NA org member - NA toon or sided toon not in org - to gank someones kite unjustly. Theres morals and ethics involved in this discussion, and someone who enjoys ganking other ppls kills shouldnt have a place in NA period. This is my opinion - others may not share it - but I feel strongly about what I said. Ganking is immature, and shows loose morals. Not criteria for NA members I would say.

Now, As Io stated, if some asshole comes and roots/KS's and gets ppl killed, I would make it my personal mission (and have in the past) to get that person a one way ticket to Rezz-ville. Call me the Karma Police, but that person deserves to die. And slowly if possible. lol.

My 2c.

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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Ota on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:08 pm

there are two seperate discussions here...

I have often witnessed rooted borgs in PW also and often it has been my team that suffered from it. Yet with that said I have never retaliated with rooting back allthough I have thought alot about it. Reason for this is that in the end I'd like to set an example of taking the high road and not do things that I would also not have others do to me - Along the same principle as helping others with XP and loot. Expecting others to return the favour, maybe not those same ppl but then some others. In case of unfair treatment agaisnt me I often just yell and complain abit in a tell and mostly it discourages the offender from keeping on doing what he apparently thought was ok... there are various interepretation of how the game should be played. I'm not the type that logs on to this game with the sole purpose of making alot of enemies and throwing cursewords back and forth. And I can't see why any would but some do.

Even if I don't make use of it myself I still condone that other NA'ers retaliate such a rooting act to get some reveange relief or to take the kitingspot back. I do not condone that NA'ers unprovokedly harass other players in this manner though as the site is not a PvP area - and that brings me to the other part of the discussion Io mentioned...

Io you ask if ganging should be allowed from toons that are either in NA or have alts in NA. Under normal circumstances, no. But there's the whole PvP aspect of the game that NA doesn't experience so much since we have few active PvP'ers. However we do have some guests that are and the question is then if it is etically justifiable for them to kill NA'ers in PvP-related incidents. If the PvP'er knows that the toon in question is an NA'er I don't believe he should be allowed to kill him, however there is the greyzone of an alt of a guy that has most his toons in NA or is just generally very active in NA chat. If a PvP'er kills an OT alt for instance while he's himself clan then I can't make an argument for how he could know he wasn't allowed to kill that OT if he says he didn't know it was an alt of an NA'er.

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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  iostalin on Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:19 am

1. In case of rooting borgs - im asking name of asshole, and if he is there - i come and root his kite. If i dont know name, or i not sure in sircumstances - i not gonna root something. I not ganna talk with asshole, if asshole try to f*** me up - i come and revenge, but its me and theres other ways and options for others, i dont mind.
2. Fair PvP and ganking are very close to each other, both require rushing on other person as much dmg as you can in smallest time, or you can loose. But some pvp ppl stop when see if their opponent in afk in pvp zone, they just stop and go away if they see they not hitted back. No glory for them from fake pvp point. Ganker attack when ppl wait it less. Like sthanding at engi who run his auras, so he get pvp flag and such. "Ganking" in BS kinda only way to kill good equipped doc, sinse good doc can stand attack from 2 toons of some profs... Smile
My opinion about pvp zones and flags - if you dont want to be ganked - dont go to pvp zones and dont get flag, pay attention. If you got it, especially or no - prepare to fact, someone can gank you in next sec.
If i wasnt ready in pvp area or with flag on me, or was too weak, or was afk - thats MY fault. We all have choice to play pvp or not, we all have ways to evade it.
3. If someone know my toon, and he is guest of my org, or member - and im sure he know thats this is my toon - ill ask to kick him from org. NA not pvp org, and mostly nice, kind and quiet ppl here. If you like to do ganking from time to time - PAY ATTENTION who you ganking, or you gonna be kicked. If ppl have sided alts, and they join as guests - theres command "!online" to check if its NA member or no. Ganking on toons who are members of NA - not allowed. Simple.
P.S. You can kill other NA member in PvP zone, if he say OK to pvp with you, and was ready. If no - killing(ganking) not allowed.
4. At some point, Otas, if you remember, we have whole pvp daughter-org for towers - 7th Leet Cavalry... espeially for pvp. And it was Onk's idea.

But!
Its only my point view. Im with NA pretty long time, i love this org very much, and i dont want to make it bad in some ways, because i can be wrong about something, i can be wrong in my judjements since im human, not borg Wink. I wanna know what rules WE want, so we can make decisions anbout "allowed/not allowed in NA".
Even if my point of view not same too much as point of view of NA, id prefer to leave org quietly, without hate in my heart and drama in org chat, than make NA play wrong way, i love that org too much and seen only good things from NA.

Also - i hope to see Onkel's words here soon Smile
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Post  Flip on Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:58 am

hi guys im thinkin we should defend ourselves in these issues if someon attack us i think we need to show ppl we have a back bone so i agree we have the right to root or take what ever actions are needed to show ppl neptueg isnt an org you can just push around not that we need to be jerks but one thing i cant stand is some one just asuming we will bend over and take it when someone decides they deserve a spot we r in already as far as the ganking goes im totaly against that ppl in our org that do it ( or ppl on chat ) need to respect our guidlines on this issue if we afiliate with ppl that do that were thought of as an org that suports it just like a politition does if he rides in the seats of organized crime or outher known agencys that are not a good influence to us this is the best org ive seen in a o we are geared in exelent lvling capabilitys and helpfull knowlage for new ppl and older players ok thats my opinion lol cyclops

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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Ankolsen on Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:21 pm

humphhhh hmmm humphh huzzahh - hard questions raised here - would be much easier if we lived in a perfect world,- sadly we do'nt... Laughing

Much of these cant be set in stone - or hard ironed out or whatever it's called in engrish.
We did once have rules - I however skipped them over the years - replacing them with common sense and - treat others as you want to be treated.

Way back (when still ALLNEUTS) we had rules - they were like this, taken from old forum :


http://allneutsorganisation.myfastforum.org/index.php

RULES OF CONDUCT:

Members of ALLNEUTS are always, at any time expected to conduct themselves, and behave in a sensible, respectable manner. As such, the following Code of Conduct, rules has been established to make sure that every member are aware of what org expectations are, to be able to contribute to the positive legacy and feel of ALLNEUTS :


#1 Don't ever try to Ninjaloot - This means a player or group of players killed something, and you are attempting to steal the loot on the corpse. This usually happens when a team is deciding how to distribute the loot. Be aware that players CAN log the fact that you stole something which you did not earn and /petition you.

#2 Don't train - This means that you have a number of mobs (hostile creatures) chasing you and that without warning you pull them through a player or group of players to try and save your own skin. This is something the community as a whole frowns upon, if you can't handle the action...don't go and get innocent players killed if 30 mobs (thus the term 'train') are chasing you for making a mistake. Players can also /petition against you for training, so I strongly advice against it. The most common places this happens is in Subway, Temple of The Three Winds and at P7/SB Hecklers spots in Elysium.

#3 Don't beg for credits - That last thing you want to do, is tell someone 'can I have some credits? Im new', you may get 10-100k from a few people, but those who know the game will rather tell you how to make cash rather than give it to you. It would be best for you to search the AO Official Forums on how to make cash at your level. Ask in the forum of your respective profession for more detailed help on making creds. If you can't post, you can still search and also ask in-game in the OCC channel for advice.

#4 Don't try to cheat people in trades - This is possibly the worst thing you could ever do. Trading empty bags claiming that they contain items for cash is just NOT acceptable. The community dislikes these type of players with a passion, and you will not make any friends once the word is spread. This is a serious offense in the game.

#5 If doing an org-team to get a specific rare drop (like GTA) - loot-rights belong to org-team !!! if guest are invited, they do'nt have any loot-rights whatsoever, unless agreed upon before launch of team, ppl not willing to accept that should be kicked from team at once, they can make their own teams, get help from their own orgs./friends or try to OD if they would like to play that game... (i do'nt !!)

#6 ODing or killstealing, or attempts to OD/KS or harrasment of any type, of another individual or team that was first to initiate an attack on a mob is NOT accepted by ALLNEUTS !!! (not nescesarily against FC-rules - and there may be rare exeptions but....) All sorts of harrasment of other players and teams is in generel frowned upon, plz do'nt destroy others game-play, nomatter what reason... (Harrasment is a bannable offence according to FC-EULA)

#7 Swearing, cursing, F-bombs and a generel bad attitude is not accepted in org. chat, you wo'nt be kicked for letting some heat slip out, happens, but please respect we have members in all ages from all over the world, behave plz !!!



these rules are age old - and would have to be rewritten - but they basicly still make sense - just have to be rewritten

But this is a very grey area - and its hard to set up rules, as things are not black and white - and there's always 2 sides of the coin
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Just always remember - there are REAL PEOPLE behind these pixels - allow them to have fun, do'nt be an asshat - mistakes will happen, but most are here to have fun!!!!
Help them get into the game - it's much needed, now more than ever before with a dwindling population. we cant afford to loose ppl just becaouse we're old , grouchy and partly hibernating like me - the lazyest president in the history of AO !!
People deserve better, and there aint many places left to look for it!!
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So rule of conduct is : Be nice - use common sense . - treat others as you want to be treated - do'nt be a Jerk!!

just rules never totally cover everything - there's always exeptions


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Or as Dead Kennedys once sang - what's wrong with a mind of my own ??
nothing prevents ppl from putting it to good use Very Happy

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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Ankolsen on Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:06 am

About what people do outside of Org - that's frankly up to people's own ethics/playstyle - I ca'nt and wont tell someone how to play the game !!

Examples here are fine with me - however people should only waste their time with retaliation in very serious cases, mostly it's just not worth it.
And because one on a team is an asshat - rest of the team could actually be nice and not involved, so it can very easily backfire.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty_03NgjQJc&feature=related



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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  iostalin on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:12 pm

Funny, but last time i was trained even in inferno...

Well - if we change rule 5 - replace it with pvp rule, those are ready to be a NA rules IMO.

Let me try to write it

#5 Ganking from NA alts is not allowed, aswell as ganking of other NA members from alts not in NA. - You can have other alts in another orgs, even sided, and there can be other rules about ganking, but if you play on NA toon, ganking is forbidden. Also forbidden ganking of other NA members (if their alts in NA chat, as members or as guests), even if you play on sided toon.

Waiting your approvement and covering from throwed dirty socks just in case Smile
Also im not very strong in english - feel free to paraphrase that rule, so its become not so messy Smile
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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Vamp on Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:57 am

I agree that we should have a few simple rules for the org. Rules help to prevent any confusion or misunderstandings among players. As a long time player, I've always tried to maintain an image of honor and integrity, not just among my fellow members but with those outside of the org as well. But like others, I do have a temper and dislike certain things in game - Training, kill stealing and ninja looting just to name a few. I have been known to give a little payback if trained, but much of the time I simply send the trainer a nasty message and explain how juvenile they are being or file a petition against them.

I do agree that we need rules in place for ninja looting and kill stealing. We don't need members that will sink to such a level. This would reflect badly on the org and its members as a whole, and we are a neutral org. I am also not a fan of pvp in any game. I am here to have fun and enjoy my game by playing it my way, not someone else's. I accept pvp in BS as it was setup for just that particular reason, but anywhere else is unacceptable for me for a lot of reasons.

However, the main rule should be as made by Morten - Treat others as you would like to be treated.
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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  iostalin on Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:16 pm

Those rules i try to write here is what we not accept. Taboo rules. In sense - rest actions are allowed and acceptable. All ppl are very different, even good ppl, and they like and dislike, accept and not accept different things. Some are like monastic position, some are not.... Very Happy
Those are rules, breaking of which can cause mostly kicking from org, and what we are definitely not accept and we will kick, or ask to leave, breaker from org for it.

P. S. Ah, and there one more rule - Only one person allowed to call Vamp as "darlin", and that lucky man is meee! Very Happy
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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  osaa on Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:24 am

I really hate rules.

I think the old Allneuts rules are great guidelines. If we played strictly by any rule I would not be a member of Neps today.

This is the first and only game of this kind that I have ever played. When I first joined Allneuts I had no concept of ninja looting.I didn't even know some things were uniques or no drop. I was clueless. I grabbed loot more than few times during org missions. No one threw me out of the org, thank goodness.

I remember a few times when org members were ganked just coming out of the grid or the woompas in PVP zones. I remember Ank and/or other senior members rushing to the defense of org mates who had been ganked like that. I loved that.It's like Flip said, we protect our org mates.
I don't ever want to see Neps ganking but I don't think they would.

I know a lot of our new members have sided toons and have joined Neps because having a neut toon helps them get stuff for their sided toons. Thats ok because they also help their Neps orgmates.

I think ganking is the lowest form of AO behavior but it's allowed in the game and I don't want to tell people how to play the game but if anyone in this org or their alts ganked me, I would have no problem kicking them

What I don't want to see are a bunch of rules. We have never needed them. As Ank has said above, use your common sense and treat people the way you want to be treated.
If you want to gank you better make sure you aren't ganking a Nep.

If someone tries to steal your place or ruin your kite then do what you need to do but I would advise talking before killing Smile

Ank I don't think the old Allneut rules need any changes except to replace Allneuts with Neptueg Atav. They are still good guidelines.







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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Ankolsen on Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:07 am

indeed osaa - but they are just that - guide lines - as an real life anarchist i'm against hard rules Twisted Evil
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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Letoatreides on Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:19 pm

I don't believe the strict written rules is the best way to make people follow same way. Any of us should have some ethical values that sets a common path with others who think alike. Such social groups are formed and people get to know each other better over time. So happened with our mates and I don't see the point in making rules for those who know each other well enough. But a list of rules of good behavior would be appropriate for newcomers in our organisation, and especially for newbies in the game. These rules should be considered like a guide and an overview of our organisation.
I believe that Neptueg Atav is more mature and united than ALLNEUTS was before, but I don't see other major differences. That's why I consider those old ALLNEUTS rules suits Neptueg Atav very well with a little update. For example, besides the rule proposed by Ios, to which I subscribe, I'd make two more changes. Rule #5 is about another form of ninja looting and could be attached to rule #1, and rule #6 should be removed because it's about 'over damage' and 'kill stealing', actions which belong more to competition than ethics. Seems fair enough to me to impose your killing power on the battlefield. If you are good enough then the game mechanics will give you the loot rights and the xp gained. I myself don't usually engage in such competition for loot and xp but I also won't judge that player who steals my pray. If someone would try to steal my kill or I fight for what is mine, I call my friends to help me or just walk away shameful and hopping next time I will be better prepared for such a fight.
I can accept ganking as concept and part of the game but I wouldn't want to be in same organisation with a ganker (no matter if s/he is ganking with an alt from another org). I'm still a rookie in PvP but as far as I know none of PvP players would judge gankers, because in PvP as well as in RL war, there aren't any rules (or they don't apply). So you shouldn't accuse someone who ganked you on BS, tower field or Camelot Castle (Tara place). Watch out for places like 2HO (non-tower field but a place with 25% gas suppression loved by mid-level gankers). If you got a PvP flag the best way to avoid gankers is to stay hidden till the flag is gone.
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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Hopeasaukko on Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:34 pm

I think "Treat others as you would like to be treated." is what we actually need and other guidelines are just more detailed.
I don't like pvp much but sometimes I go to BS (even when its bugged most of time) and might have /duel with someone sometime (rare). I remember when I was still learning how to solo (with my Mizu) Umbral Prisoner (hadn't done it many times yet) and I was flagged because of Daily Mission (maybe 4 Holes or Shop Lifter) and suddenly I got attacked (instead of being asked for teaming), I think it was clan shade, and died quickly. (and prisoner was dead when I came back) There is no way I could have been able to tank both prisoner and shade at the same time.. But because of that I learnt that you should always get rid of flags before going to do other things.. I guess some people enjoy doing that kind of things but it also was little bit my fault.

Anyway, I hope we don't get strict rules because then I would be more afraid of breaking against rules by accident and might leave org to avoid it from happening. Its just more easier to remember few good guidelines and follow them than to remember several strict rules and follow them whole time.

I think I had more things to say than just those two but maybe I forgot those other things already, sorry. :/

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Re: Neptueg Atav Rules discussion

Post  Ankolsen on Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:09 pm

Exactly Leto and Hope - Strict rules are no fun - why we play games - when ppl dont misbehave - all is fine - have fun. bounce

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